Posts made by ShadoWawker

It’s been 38 days since this issue started for me, I just played my first game in a couple weeks and it happened again. Really disappointing

@MisfitBanjax said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

@ShadoWawker said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

@MisfitBanjax said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

@thetruepilliger said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

I'm going to put this the nicest way possible. I am not trying to come across as being pretentious or some sort of know-it-all.

Lock on is here to stay.
Ranged basic attacks will always home.
If that bothers you so much that you feel the need to beg the developers to change the game for you then you need to find a different game.

I'm sorry but the sooner you come to peace with these facts the better. Ranged heroes are easily countered and only in the case of Maeve's cage do I think the ranged heroes need some adjustments

^ This. As much as I would have preferred if this game worked on a more skill based targeting system, I can't deny that managing the lock-on has really grown on me. It has it's own skill requirement to switch targets or lock-on/off on the fly.

Ok those are not really “skills” let’s be honest. Yes you do have to make an easy decision and push a button to switch to a new target or lock off but come on

The amount of skill required there is extremely minimal practically zero when compared to actually having to aim and hit your targets and stay aimed at them manually

You said it yourself you “would have preferred a more skill based targeting system” and I believe many others would as well

Yeah, the main point is that the game is as it is when it comes to targeting and we should just accept that since it's such a core mechanic. Trying to get them to change it is probably a waste of energy. Besides, the lock-on system is hardly ruining the game so it's really not a big deal. At least there's Project Stamina in the works and that will satisfy the need for a brawler game like this to have more skill-based targeting. Look it up if you haven't already!

Yea it could be a waste of energy but on the off chance that they do listen I thought it would be worth it anyways to try and convince them because to me it’s very clear. Imo it is ruining the game so I think it’s a necessary change.

I am not surprised that most people on here disagree with me because it is safe to assume the people who post on the forums are the most dedicated fans of the game and already enjoy the experience. I’m asking the developers to consider the overall playerbase and the wider audience of people which is the most important thing, especially people who are trying it for the first time or coming back to it to see if it’s improved

I can guarantee the number one problem they have is player retention. Just look at the numbers on steam, an incredibly large drop in player count to where it’s at currently. I’m sure the story is the same on xbox, as this game is not even in the top FIFTY most played games according to the xbox games store which is a very bad sign for a multiplayer game that only costs 30$ and is on xbox games pass which has over ten million subscribers

I’m not saying all this to bash the game as i do like many aspects of it, but my point is that they clearly got something major wrong and it’s turning people away, it’s making them not want to play this game. Something is causing the very low player retention rate, and I believe the lack of a real targeting system is the number one issue.

@RealMedal274783 It’s been 11 days since I started getting this issue and I submitted the bug report but it still happens

In fact it’s gotten worse. Pretty much every game I play now ends with this problem and it’s really annoying

I never get to see my end of match stats anymore and i still have to hope that I’m getting the credits and xp that i should be getting.

@MoistAtom6 said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

I think this is an opinion where people can agree to disagree. I see valid points brought up from both sides of the argument, but I strongly side with having a lock on system. The way the characters are balance, I've never felt like I was ever unfairly killed by a ranged character. When they do kill me, I recognize that it's typically due to poor positioning, getting teamed up against, or poorly misjudging my health bar before entering battles. When I play as a ranged character. I always feel engaged, because I'm focusing on positioning, the timing of my abilities, and the most underused strategy, focusing on who to target and when to re-target.

I don't believe this point was brought up: if there was free aim in this game, wouldn't there be a bunch of bullet spraying into combat groups? I bet that situation would come up constantly, and that type of gameplay sounds unengaging to me.

This has nothing to do with balance I am not at all suggesting this idea because I think ranged heroes are too strong. It is simply about engagement and higher skill ceiling and more fun.

Those things you mentioned positioning, ability timing etc those are skills found in other similar games (overwatch, smite) but in addition to those skills you actually need to aim as well in all the other games which makes them more fun because of it

So I’m not saying playing ranged characters takes no skill, it just doesn’t take enough because it is missing a crucial component which is manually aiming at your target. The act of locking onto and hitting a target with these fighters takes no skill and is way too easy you literally cannot miss unless you are just out of range

I don’t see any issue with bullet spraying. If they make this change ranged fighters should still be able to hit only one target like they do now. Which means that if you want to randomly spray into a group you are still only damaging one person at a time so spraying doesn’t pay off because your damage isn’t concentrated and you are spreading it out across multiple targets which means they are all more likely to stay alive than if you had just focused on one target

@MisfitBanjax said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

@thetruepilliger said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

I'm going to put this the nicest way possible. I am not trying to come across as being pretentious or some sort of know-it-all.

Lock on is here to stay.
Ranged basic attacks will always home.
If that bothers you so much that you feel the need to beg the developers to change the game for you then you need to find a different game.

I'm sorry but the sooner you come to peace with these facts the better. Ranged heroes are easily countered and only in the case of Maeve's cage do I think the ranged heroes need some adjustments

^ This. As much as I would have preferred if this game worked on a more skill based targeting system, I can't deny that managing the lock-on has really grown on me. It has it's own skill requirement to switch targets or lock-on/off on the fly.

Ok those are not really “skills” let’s be honest. Yes you do have to make an easy decision and push a button to switch to a new target or lock off but come on

The amount of skill required there is extremely minimal practically zero when compared to actually having to aim and hit your targets and stay aimed at them manually

You said it yourself you “would have preferred a more skill based targeting system” and I believe many others would as well

@thetruepilliger said in This game needs more aiming/skill requirement:

I'm going to put this the nicest way possible. I am not trying to come across as being pretentious or some sort of know-it-all.

Lock on is here to stay.
Ranged basic attacks will always home.
If that bothers you so much that you feel the need to beg the developers to change the game for you then you need to find a different game.

I'm sorry but the sooner you come to peace with these facts the better. Ranged heroes are easily countered and only in the case of Maeve's cage do I think the ranged heroes need some adjustments

I think you need to look up the definition of beg because you clearly don’t know what it means if you are applying it to this situation

I am suggesting ideas and providing feedback on how i believe they can improve their game. If you call that begging then you have a serious problem with exaggeration or you just don’t know what it means.

Despite your apparent efforts to try and not come across as pretentious you have managed to do so regardless, which i suppose says something about you.

Ranged heroes being easily countered has nothing to do with this topic so it’s pointless to even bring it up. I never said ranged heroes are op or that an aiming system should be added in order to adjust their power level

If that’s what you got out of my post then you have another problem

@Omid-RG Yea tanks are definitely better in this game than in most others. It is also nice that they do good damage so you don’t just feel like a human shield all the time but can get kills and punish people

On the topic of two supports being overpowered I completely agree. I mentioned it in my OP briefly but have also made a couple longer posts about it in the past

I seriously cannot believe they haven’t nerfed double healer by now and the fact that they haven’t is extremely concerning due to how blatant and insanely obvious the issue is.

Coincidentally, my solution to double healer was exactly the same as what you suggested: diminishing returns. So the more healers you pick the less healing each one does. If you have two healers they each heal for 60-70% of their normal amount

If you pick 3 healers they only heal for about 40% of normal. This will nerf the double healer meta HARD and will practically ensure that it goes away which will be a very good thing

A very simple but effective solution is to just limit each team to one healer max. Not as good an option because it restricts player choice but is super easy to implement and would clearly solve the problem. Either way they need to do something about this asap it’s the biggest balance issue in this game by far

@HottCakeX There’s no way to buy currency in this game with real money and that’s a good thing

I respect them for not including microtransactions even though it’s pretty much a guaranteed feature in all modern multiplayer games. However I do not respect or like the way they have implemented cosmetics at all.

There are several issues but the biggest one is the insane cost. The best solution is definitely not for them to add microtransactions but rather for them to simply lower the cost or increase earn rate or both

They are going to add daily quests which will reward coins. I have a very strong feeling that these quests won’t give even close to enough rewards to bridge the gap based on what has happened up until this point.

We will see how it turns out but the best thing to do imo is ask them to increase rewards/lower the cost of cosmetics.

A couple of things I forgot to put in my original post that I thought of. My 7/10 score and feelings about how the game can instantly improve are still the same.

I like that in this game supports and tanks feel very strong and can easily hold their own.

A miko and sometimes even kulev can 1v1 most other fighters and at least survive if not get the kill. These two healers are not just fodder to be beaten up and destroyed like healers in overwatch who will basically die to anything

Tanks are also solid, have great survivability and are not overly dependent on healers to stay alive if they play correctly.

This ties in with the other positive which is people tend to fill roles in this game. It helps that you only need one of each but there is clearly no doubt that having strong healers and tanks greatly contributes to an increased willingness to play these fighters. Every game you are pretty much guaranteed at least one tank or one support and often I get both without having to fill

My last few times playing this game I noticed I was wrong when I said framerate issues are gone. They are still there just not nearly as bad as before and not as frequent. But they still do happen and it would be great if this issue could be completely addressed.

This is a good idea and something that should make the game better. But there are two really important things when it comes to implementing it in a good way

1. Each completed quest must reward its own set of coins. Based on the wording in the dev update it seems to me that the current plan is to only award coins after all of the quests have been completed. If this is true then that is NOT a good idea at all

No other game that I play or can think of does its daily quest system like this they all award currency/xp for each individual quest completed so you feel like you’re getting something for everything that you do.

Look at paladins, smite, apex, cod (any of them), battlefield, pubg, an obscure game like minion masters etc the list goes on and on they all do it the same way for good reason

Let’s say the current plan is to give X number of coins after completion of 3 quests, they simply need to divide X by 3 and give out that amount for each one. So the total remains the same but people have the option of only completing one or two and still getting something for their time

2. The amount of coins rewarded must be astronomical. If there are no plans to further increase end of match rewards or lower the absolutely ridiculous cost of cosmetics, then each one of these daily quests seriously must give at least 1-200 coins minimum. That is the only way to reasonably bridge the gap between this slow earn rate and insanely high cost.