Cass is easily the most underrated character, change my mind...
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I played in some really good matches this weekend and I feel like she is this games pub stomper. Good in low levels weak in higher tiers. The matches I had where focus and call outs were on point Cass was ineffective.
When she would try to engage I would just give the call on her and we would focus her down to the point she had to retreat. Maybe no kill her but push her out so it became a 3v4 situation.
She’s good 1v1 but this game has only small instances on that.
I was playing gizmo and putting my turrets between me her and repositioned to keep her out. If she went through or took time to kill the turrets I would focus her and drop my bomb on her which I have the slowing mod on it which is huge when u get dove on. She either had to retreat or die.
And if I was playing with a good buttercup then it was an easier time cause pull oil and her AoE special does quite a bit already, the a sucka on top and she’s pretty much dead.
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@D4m0R3d Giz with turrets is an easy fix for Cass. All you need to do is strafe while attacking and use swoop when lined up with her and the turrets. Giz cant really stop Cass pressure is Cass is played right. And in the instance of a team fight she is even better. Her ability to quick go to a healer, team or not, is highly valuable. She can get pressure off of your teams healer quickly or she can rush down the enemy healer and keep them from healing with melee and pressure. Plus if you add on the mods for incresed ranged damage, swoop adding 10 percent more damage and Swoop having slow you basically cant be stopped or caught in any normal means. Cass is easily one of the easiest characters to break 15k damage and not die with.
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@HammerxOfxLight even against buttercup and bastardo Cass is effective. Using a slowing swoop against butter basically keeps her locked down and even if she uses hook, Cass can just use hightail to make distance. Or even swoop. Cass can become basically unstoppable if played correctly. Just gotta learn to pick fights and know your targets. Shes all about rush down pressure and supporting healers to build up blade dance and then doing huge dps in team fights
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@HammerxOfxLight
oh yea buttercup is a really good counter to cass.hightail doesnt get cass far, only like 3 metres back. that is within range of buttercups hook, or she can simply just dash to her, and if she has cass oiled she already cant move fast. also do you know about buttercups hold down attack, its literally like makutos only you charge it, it goes further and its faster. cass cant escape that. so if you still need to make the distance, just use that, and what does cass have left, there isnt any cooldown on that attack either
same for bastardo, you dive her get her in a combo, dash her when the combo throws her, start combo again or she runs, if she dont run you can take the shield out and get ready to dive again in wich case she will be low af.
either way if you push her out of a fight you win.
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@D4m0R3d yea. Pretty much the only time I was worried about her is when my team wasn’t calling out or had a weak comp. in my strongest groups she was a non issue, and frankly a huge weight on their team.
I honestly think she needs buffed some. She needs an hp buff, about 30-50 base ho, and a nerf to blade dance.
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yea her blade dance ult is supppper powerfull, that combod with a nidhoggr ult would basically wipe a team.
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@D4m0R3d well heres the thing. While it might not go far you forgot about the verticality of it. She can easily evade characters without high jumps but hightailing to an upper platform. Plus you would never want to use a swoop on a tank unless you know you can kill so the swoops are more often used for slowing or evasion. And in that department there isnt anyone who can really keep up with her other than deamon. And swoop recharges fast enough that even if he sprays you, you can still swoop out. In almost every single characters attack strings there is one or two gaps that you can use for a parry or in Cass's case. Use to swoop or hightail out. So while you might be able to push her out a fight. Her ability to maneuver better than most the cast leads her to having very high survival ability if played smart
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There’s actually a tweet on their official twitter showcasing her mobility but the second she lands she gets focused out and has to retreat. She grabs a health pack and ults and kills half the team.
This is pretty much my argument. Needs hp buffs and an ult nerf
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@HammerxOfxLight Id agree on that front. Her HP is kinda a hinderance in long winded fights. And the Ult with the damage boost mod is basically free kills imo which is kinda shitty because i can bascially guarantee the supports dying due to my ult which isnt really fair for them
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@BasedScones they need to drop the damage of the ult the range or take away the movement of it. With her mobility you can just get next to your target and pretty much insta-gib them. It feels cheap to be on the receiving end of it. She can be stunned out of it so that’s good
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well heres the thing you forgot, butter cups hook goes up. if she uses hightail to get upto a platform she can hook cass down before she gets far. elbastardo can dive up. gizmo can bounce up. daemon can jump up. nidhoggr can throw a guitar. maeve can cage her. zero cool can jump up and wall her off.
"And swoop recharges fast enough that even if he sprays you, you can still swoop out."
and if she swoops out of daemons reach he can just dash at her and combo lock her. then throw shirikens wich have a bleeding and slow effect.and continue the chase, the chase may be long but eventually he will catch her.
and il say again. you dont have to kill her to win. getting her out of the fight making the fight a 4v3 is a win.
and if played smart you can lock her down even if she has such good abilities. abilities have cool downs. and usually this shit is a team fight so really there are way too many possibilities to talk about. theres just no point.
and yea she does have high survivability if played smart, but so does everyone. everyone that has an ability that can help put distance between you and the enemy can have high survivability if played smart.
they should probs just reduce the damage. i feel like it would look wierd if she just stood still
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No, they should not reduce the damage. That is her thing, which is already lacking from her basic attack. Her health is already ridiculously low, and she has to invest in a mod to make blade dance a threat. You can stun her out of the ult easily and she's vulnerable as hell without yet another mod when using it. There are plenty of ways to mitigate or even nullify the damage (as a team). No need to call for nerfs now.
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idk bro https://twitter.com/EvilToaster/status/1239035434979799041?s=20
look at how fast she kills them. idk any other ults in the game, or abilities that do close to this amount of dps. killed 2 peeps who had 75 percent hp in about 2 seconds, and about 3/5ths of her ult. if she did that in a team battle the enemy team is basically dead. otherwise you would have to have a teamate who can stun her wich is about 5 of 12 characters who can stun her maybe. meaning you need to have at least one person on your team who has a stun, and they have to be alive/ have to have enough health/time to stun them/ need to have the ability available.
idk dude the odds are in the favour of cass in this case
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@D4m0R3d said in Cass is easily the most underrated character, change my mind...:
idk bro https://twitter.com/EvilToaster/status/1239035434979799041?s=20
look at how fast she kills them. idk any other ults in the game, or abilities that do close to this amount of dps. killed 2 peeps who had 75 percent hp in about 2 seconds, and about 3/5ths of her ult. if she did that in a team battle the enemy team is basically dead. otherwise you would have to have a teamate who can stun her wich is about 5 of 12 characters who can stun her maybe. meaning you need to have at least one person on your team who has a stun, and they have to be alive/ have to have enough health/time to stun them/ need to have the ability available.
idk dude the odds are in the favour of cass in this case
If a damage dealer's AOE ultimate can't kill two 60% hp characters who take the brunt it, then I'd say that is a problem. Imagine Reaper's Death Blossom not being able to kill 60% hp opponents.
Yeah, it's a scary ability, especially with the damage mod and boost, but again... that's her thing. They purposely designed it to be easily shut down. Good luck using it next to any tank, Nidhoggr, Kulev with Bamboozle, or a Cass with Dive Bomb. You're basically dead if the ult gets stopped unless your team is there to peel for you. You caught these hurt players unaware and punished them with a skillful jump/hightail/swoop into ultimate combo... they never saw you coming. That's just a good play... not a broken ability.
Again, no need (or too early) to call for nerfs.
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I love Cass, she's so fun and my main also. But an equally skilled Miko, Meave, Buttercup (or other Cass) can handle her - at least push her out consistently; and any character with a stun, freeze or silence should always be keeping an eye out to hit Cass on her ult. Her ult really is brutal, but shut it down & she gets DELETED
I do agree with you though, Cass is underrated. Really good Cass players can dominate both the enemy and the map.
