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After some thought, and a lot of constructive feedback from the community, I came to the conclusion that the last guide had left many aspects of the game without doing them justice. Therefore I've decided to come up with more guides to help players both new and old to hopefully undestand the game better.
This installment of the Misfit's guide will attempt to dive a little deeper into mechanical concepts of the game. However, I ask of you that you bare in mind that a written guide may only serve as a starting point with basic instructions. I can't teach you how to perform sick plays nor can I offer you the tools with which you can do so, all a guide can do is prepare you enough so you'd be ready to come up with the rest on your own. With that being said, lets get started.

This guide will divide the idea of mechanics into the following concepts/sub-units:

• Mechanics revolving around basic attacks
• Game sense involving usage of stamina
• The mechanic of parrying
• Some tips about landing individual fighter abilities

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Mechanics revolving around basic attacks (does not apply on ranged fighters):

Most if not all fights, come down to who is better at performing their basic attacks. Mashing the attack button is in most cases ill advised because it will result in your fighter performing their default chain of basic attacks in the default speed that their kit was designed with. This means that your opponent can now learn the default chains of fighters, and end up parrying your attacks with ease. To counter this we depend on mix ups and/or emote cancelling.
Mixing up your attacks means to use an ability somewhere in your chain of basic attacks. The most common example is Daemon throwing a shuriken after 3 or 4 basic attacks; this resets your combo, and if your opponent is anticipating the final attack of your default chain, they will instead be met with a shuriken followed by the 1st attack of the chain followed by the rest of the combo resulting in massive damage that could erase a Nidhöggr's hp bar depending on your mod build.
Emote cancelling means to press the emote button to cancel your chain of attacks. Again this will reset your basic attack chain, and if your opponent is waiting for a certain attack in the chain that they know how to parry, they'll be waiting for a long time since you are basically performing the 1st or 2nd attack over and over and over again.
The principle is to find the perfect frame in which an emote input will cancel your attack animation, and pressing the attack button in very quick succession to the emote input. Or if you want to play mind games with your opponent; actually emote in the midst of kicking their ass.
Joreyo Sensei, the king of mechanics, has a useful video regarding emote cancelling that you may check out if you'd like: Emote cancelling by Joreyo

Game sense involving usage of stamina (does not apply on tanks other than Bastardo):

Right next to your hp, one of the most important things that you should make it a habit to keep an eye on; is stamina. The game is designed so that ranged fighters have 2 bars of stamina while melee fighters have 3. Evading or dashing costs you 1 stamina bar, and parrying successfully will restore half a stamina bar, moving on.
A mistake that many players do is that they waste their stamina by using it to close up distance with their opponent (without a plan) or evading the small poking attacks and being left with no stamina to dodge more dangerous abilities like a Boomitar or a Cage. A general advise is to keep your last stamina bar available for emergency situations, until you're confident in your game sense enough to decide when to use your stamina on your own.
While playing ranged fighters you want to be extra careful about using your stamina. Ideally when evading you want to create an opportunity to actually get away, for example by placing a firewall or jumping to safety.

The mechanic of parrying (does not apply on tanks other than Bastardo):

Parrying is easily the scariest concept for new players, but when they pull it off once or twice they being to realize that it's actually extremely simple with little to no risk to go with it.
In order to perform a parry, you have to press the evade button (once) during the few frames that the enemy attack is supposed to connect with you, meaning after the attack animation has begun, and I would advise against trying to anticipate the attack, because your opponent could be mixing up their attacks and you would just fail the parry. And make sure that you are not mashing the parry button, because the failed parry animation does not get cancelled, and instead you will just spend more time standing idly and getting hit.
To learn to parry I suggest that you practice against a Nidhöggr, a Bastardo, or a Buttercup because they have slow attack animations, and learn to parry the rest by getting your ass kicked in battle (at least for a while).

Some ability tips for individual fighters:

In this part of the guide I want to only make a few remarks on fighter abilities.
Bleeding Edge uses auto aim/lock and is often (wrongfully) mocked because of that. In reality I have probably not seen a game in which people miss their abilities more than BE, and it directly results in them losing team fights that they should have won. Thus I want to call attention to some abilities that miss way too often, and how to rectify that. Ideally people would practice their abilities in the dojo, but it seems like the auto aim system has lead everybody to a false sense of security, that we now have to give tips on how to land stuff.

Azrael's Wingblast: I believe this is the only skill shot in the game. Wingblast does not lock onto any enemies, and it will shoot exactly in the direction that you are facing, so make sure that you're actually facing the enemies when using it, and avoid using it when you are up (high) in the air, because Wingblast will not move in a diagonal direction, and will shoot at the same (vertical) height as you.

Bastardo's leap of faith: Easily the most frequently missed ability in the game.You should avoid using leap of faith on enemies that are too close, because it will most likely miss, and if you are chasing a running enemy, try to jump up in the air before leaping, it'll increase the chance of landing on a moving target. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, enter the dojo and learn the maximum distance that a leap of faith can travel, and avoid using it on enemies that are out of reach. Leap of faith can cancel enemy abilities and that's a powerful tool to have, so make sure to learn how to use it.

Cass' blade dance: The speed in which you can travel while in blade dance animation is only equal to your base movement speed, so try to position yourself so that you'll at least get some damage done before you use it.

Daemon's shift strike: This ability does not automatically move towards your enemy, so make sure to be facing towards the enemy (unless you are trying to escape) and learn the maximum distance it travels so you can know when to activate it. Shift strike does very good AoE damage that can finish off enemies or turn the tides of battle.

Gizmo's Sucka: Sucka does massive AoE damage and I only see few Gizmo players use it on enemies that are cuddled up together. Yes it's a good idea to use it on the 1 enemy that is chasing you, but like shift strike, sucka can really devastate the enemy team in a team fight with how much damage it does.

Nidhöggr's Boomitar: Boomitar is very easy to evade, so if you're not certain that it will stun the enemy, enter the dojo and learn the maximum distance it travels (with/without range mod) and try to hit it at or close to maximum range. The closer the enemy is standing to its maximum range, the more difficult it is to dodge the returning boomitar. Or you can try to hit a wall with it (after if it has hit an enemy), and it will stun them instantly.

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Thank you for reading this part of the Misfit's Guide.
If you want to read more about the fundamentals of Bleeding Edge you may check out the guide on fundamentals here: The Misfit's Guide to Fundamentals
So long folks!

I was actually thinking about doing that. It sounds like the best approach to make the most accurate guides, but like I said, I'm gonna need people to cooperate

Of course every fighter has a lot more tricks up their sleeves than this guide talks about. The ins and outs of different fighters are best suited for specific character guides which I'll need help from the community in order to make, since I'm not a master at every fighter yet ^^"
But hopefully we'll have more indepth guides in the future. This one is for beginners and people who want to know the basics of Bleeding Edge.

Like the best of us, I personally am often guilty of getting angry at new/inexperienced players. Thus, I decided to rather than rage create a guide to the game that would hopefully help new (and maybe even veteran) players develop a better understanding of the game, and lead them towards their destiny of showing Gunked and the illumanti squad who is boss.

This guide will talk about the fundamentals of Bleeding Edge that every player needs to work on improving, and will also attempt to elaborate on important concepts that go alongside said fundamentals.
The fundamentals of Bleeding Edge (based on a quick brainstorm session by the community) are:

• General game knowledge
  This includes knowledge about the fighters, modes, maps, and map mods

• Raw/mechanical fighting skills
  Includes learning how to parry, perform and cancel combos, and everything that makes a strong fighter

• Ability to work in a team
  Bleeding Edge is extremely dependent on how well you can fight and strategize with the other 3 players on your team

• Decision making
  Means knowing when to start a fight, when to go for a side objective, when to join or leave your team, etc.

1st Fundamental: Game knowledge

Knowledge about fighters means to understand their abilities, strengths, weaknesses, and their value in a team composition. You can read about the abilities of each fighter by visiting the fighter section HERE and clicking on the fighter icons to see their abilities.
What I'll be doing in this guide is help you understand which enemies to focus during fights, as well as share with you important things to know about each fighter (listed in alphabetical order), so you can use them more effectively in your games.

This hierarchy of priority targets can change in different situations, but it is to help you get an overall idea, and it's a good guideline to follow until you are able to pick the best target yourself:
1st priority targets:
Gizmo, or you can assign 1 melee fighter to keep her from free firing while the rest of you fight other targets.
Zerocool, or you can force him to use up his healing charge, and you catch 2 birds at once by now having a useless enemy zerocool, and your dying target that you were focusing.
Nidhöggr, ONLY if he is constantly spamming his shredder, in which case he becomes as dangerous as a free firing Gizmo. If he is fighting melee then he stops being a priority target, but still a massive pick if you eliminate him.

2nd priority:
Miko but she is very good at getting away, so once you have forced her out you can stop chasing, and turn to kill the team she left behind
Kulev has absolutely no escape tools, so if you manage to catch him in a bad position; eliminate him since if left unchecked he will give his team a massive advantage
Daemon is a very dangerous assassin that can turn the tides of battle if he catches your backline, so it's a huge pick if you kill him early
Maeve, same as daemon. Eliminating her will remove a lot of pressure from your supports/healers/backline, and having her alive at the end of the fight means she has a good chance at cleaning your whole team up.

Everyone not mentioned here is usually not a priority pick.

The following are important things to know about every fighter (listed in alphabetical order):

Azrael
If you've picked Azrael, you have chosen to be a support that depends on fighting in order to be effective. Azrael can heal 1 ally with his Guardian Angel, but this healing will not be sufficient to save their life mid-combat. Thus making Azrael not a "healer" in a traditional sense, but a support that offers different utility to his team.
When fighting with Azrael, you should try to stack your soul eaters by alternating between the enemies you attack. 1 enemy can hold 5 soul eater stacks maximum, so once you see that your target has reached 5 stacks you can switch to a different target and do the same. You end up doing more healing to yourself as well as your Guardian Angel ally that way.
Also remember to use your portal in order to get yourself or your team out of danger. If you're in a safe position and you see your team mate getting caught, place a portal for them. They'll love you.

Buttercup
Choosing Buttercup means to accept the responsibility of being a tank. An extremely powerful tank on top of that. As Buttercup your job is to be the frontline of your team; deal damage while absorbing enemy damage and allowing your team to deal even more damage.
Look for picks using your yank ability. If you can yank a single target into your team their chances of survival should look pretty grim. Add some oil slick to prevent them from escaping and they should be done for.
Just no matter what you do, do not charge into the enemy team alone without having your team there to back you up.

Cass
If you choose Cass, you have chosen death. Cass is the most mobile fighter in the game, and in exchange one of the most squishy fighters. As Cass your job is to harrass the backline and get out before the enemies can get to you, and you have all the tools you need for that. Swoop in, throw feathers or use your rake if its safe enough, and get out using either your high tail or another swoop. If you have your blade dance available make sure that the enemies have used up all their cc tools before you use it.
In general you should be very wary of cc if you are cass. If they catch you, you're dead.

Daemon
If you pick the poster boy, prepare to be hated. Except of course if you do things right. Daemon is an assassin, and like Cass he is very mobile, very squishy, very good at destroying the backline, but unlike Cass he doesn't harrass, he goes directly for the kill.
If you're Daemon then it's not hard to do things right. Just be close to your team, pay attention to your own backline and protect your supports, and when you see a chance to assassinate a target, go for it.
Just no matter what you do, do not charge into the enemy team alone without having your team there to back you up.

El Bastardo
Bastardo is a tank but different from the other tanks as he is the only tank that gets hitstunned by melee attacks, thus making him more difficult to be good at. As Bastardo your job is to dive into the enemy team like Scrooge McDuck into a pile of gold. Just kidding please do not do that.
Bastardo's job is hard to pinpoint exactly. He is supposed to be the one to dive the enemy and survive while his team dishes out huge damage, ideally with a Kulev on his team to give him a shield and a totem for a higher chance of survival, but really he is being used to either counter a backline diving enemy Daemon, or a free firing enemy Gizmo.
Bastardo is very good at locking down 1 target and making their lives miserable, but in the right situation he is also a fighter that can fight 1v4 and live to tell the tale.

Gizmo
Gizmo is one of the easiest fighters to learn the game with. She's a pure ranged fighter, meaning that you must always keep your distance from the enemy team and fire at them from afar. Ideally you want to position yourself on the highground, or on the side so you can target their healers/squishies and force them to retreat (or die) before you and your team can delete the enemy frontline that just got left behind.
As Gizmo you want to get the damage buff whenever available like it's free ice cream. Just make sure you're not leaving your team to die while you go and grab a damage buff.

Kulev
Kulev is a tanky support who excels in buffing and debuffing. Ideally you want your team to not move around the map too much, meaning he loses some value during the collection phase of power collection, but that can be negated if your team stays and moves together as a pack.
As Kulev you have the power to decide where your team should be positioned. A good Kulev will place his sacred ground totem in positions that are tricky for the enemy team to reach the center of. Kulev also excels at being anti-burst by placing his shield on the ally being focused, while also offering good burst value himself with his curse.
Generally you want every decision you make as a Kulev to be the best decision. If you misplace your shield and the target dies, your team will get punished very hard because you can't compensate with your heals, and if you misplace your curse and the target survives, you'll also be punished hard since you have no more offensive tools at your disposal, and your team is fighting in a 3.5 vs 4 situation.

Maeve
As Maeve your job is to be the most annoying parasite you can possibly be. During fights you want to position yourself in the safest location, and then strike to assassinate a squishy enemy when the chance presents itself. It's important that you get the killing blow as Maeve since it resets the cooldown of all your abilities, so try not to use your siphon on full health enemies (except if you think you will still get the killing blow), and use your cage to either save yourself or stop your prey from getting away.
A good Maeve can clean up a surviving enemy team of 4 people by herself if she plays her cards right, but keep in mind that Maeve is generally an advanced character to be effective with.

Makutu 2.0
As Makutu 2.0 you are basically an invincible killing machine. You have the ability to cancel almost all abilities including supers using your repel/attract as well as your barge. Makutu is kind of a jack of all trades. He can heal himself as well as his team, and if he catches almost anyone with his barge (into a wall) they should be dead in most cases. I'm kind of hesitant to reveal Makutu secrets because he is kind of game-breakingly overpowered right now, but point is that Makutu is super strong. Just don't dive the enemy team alone and you should be good.

Mekko
Mekko is the only ranged tank in the game as of now, but in no way does that mean that he stands in the backline. Mekko is designed to hold a point by sitting on it and placing his safety zone so he and his team can get a 25% defense buff.
As Mekko you want to fight on your safety zone, and your job description includes placing your lifeline on your supports (or even on your frontline if they're competent) and pulling them out of danger.
Just whatever you do, do not pull your team mates into danger, or away from a kill that they were about to secure, or they'll never forget that. Trust me, they won't. I still remember what you did Tigerbomb4, I have not forgotten.

Miko
Miko is a support that keeps herself alive by hitting enemies and healing herself through that. As Miko you want to think of yourself as a healer, but with the heart of a frontline. Do not cast your heal on yourself except if it's necessary (you get a lot less healing), and use your kinetic shield to cut off projectiles like Zerocool's healing beam, and incoming damage like Maeve's toil and trouble.
Miko's stasis is a powerful tool with which you can cancel many enemy abilities, and its low cooldown means you can still get away with it if you make a misplay.

Nidhöggr
Arguebly the strongest dps in the game. Nidhog's kit makes him strong against tanks, and his raw damage output makes him a squishy target's nightmare. As a Nidhog you have the freedom to choose between going in and fighting melee or keeping a safe distance and fighting with your shredder that does huge % damage to enemies it hits. It's hard to mess up with Nidhöggr as long as you don't dive the enemy team by yourself.
Nid is generally a safe choice and good to learn the game with. He has good sustain, high hp, and the highest damage output in the game.

Zerocool
Zerocool is the absolute best choice of a healer. His healing beam does massive healing that can save a dying ally's life mid-combat, but it is VERY IMPORTANT to know that Zerocool is not mercy from Overwatch. Using your heal beam costs you healing charge, resulting in significantly less healing over time, so make sure to only use your heal beam when necessary, and stop its use when it's safe.
As Zerocool you will most definitely be the enemy team's #1 priority target, so stay in the backline, and do not dive into the fight. If your team mates need healing they should walk into your range, since as Zerocool you want to keep yourself alive as well as your team. If you die, your team dies.

2nd Fundamental: Mechanics

Fortunately (for me more than for you) there is not much to write/read about when it comes to mechanics. Instead I can just point you towards the dojo with some instructions:

• Learn to parry different fighters by choosing an enemy fighter and setting its behavior to aggressive.
• Use the chance to also practice fastening or slowing down your basic attack combos in order to make it difficult for your opponent to parry your attacks.
• Set 2 (or more if you're feeling yourself) enemy bot behavior to aggressive, and practice alternating your attacks between them, to train your survivability in team fights.
• From now on try to think more carefully about when to use your dash/evade. Learning to dodge the right abilities can lead to clutch plays that completely turn the tides of battle.

3rd Fundamental: Teamwork

"Silly cat, you can't tell us to learn teamwork"
That is true, and as much as I want to encourage everyone to put on their headsets and communicate with their team, I don't really do it myself anymore so I'll spare you the hypocrisy.
Instead I will give you some guidelines on how to cooperate with your team in SoloQ:

Use the Minimap

• Always keep an eye on the minimap to know where your team and the enemy team is, and position yourself accordingly. If your team is taking 1 path towards the objective, do not take a different path in which you can get caught out on your own, but rather follow your team and make sure that you are all present for the objective fight.

Don't fight when outnumbered

• If the objective is about to activate, both teams are pathing towards the point but you see that you are missing a member or more, do not engage in combat even if it means giving up the point. Fighting when outnumbered means you're just giving away free kills and points to the enemy team. Instead you should ping your team to retreat and regroup. Maybe even grab a damage buff while you're grouping up, and then fight for the point.

Be zero, not a hero

• The objective is about to activate on the other side of the map but your team is still chasing the enemy Bastardo that they couldn't finish off in the last fight? Idiots. But stick with them... if you go to the objective on your own you risk either getting caught by the 3man enemy team on your own, or your team getting picked by the 4man enemy team that came to save their Bastardo. In both cases your team loses.

Keep track of your team mates' supers and abilities

• A good ultimate combo from 2 people can wipe out an entire enemy team, and you don't necessarily have to communicate for that. Just keep an eye on the ultimate charge of your allies. The chances of them using it are significantly higher when it's charged. Like... 100% higher...

PEEL FOR EACH OTHER

• And this is what everything comes down to at the end of the day. The reason you have a team is not so each one of you can pick 1 enemy fighter and have a 1vs1 battle. If you see the enemy Daemon targetting your Zerocool, rush to his aid. As much as we want to be the VIPs of our lives, your team won't be the ones to come peel for you, so you should be the one to go peel for them. Be the MVP rather than the VIP

4th Fundamental: Decision making

At the end of the day; Bleeding Edge is really all about decision making, and sadly for all of us, no one can teach you to make good decisions. It's something that you figure out by assessing your situation and factoring in everything else that you have learned.

When you move towards an objective (with/without your team) you are making a decision. You might as well be going for a damage buff, or picking that severly out of position enemy daemon that DID decide to go for a power buff while his team went to the objective.
When you leave your team to go capture a side point; you are making a decision. You might as well stay with them and help them fight off the enemy push.

I'm not telling you what the right and wrong thing to do in those situations are. I'm only telling you to not do things without thinking. If you go solo cap a side point then make sure it is the best thing you can do for your team because you know they won't lose the fight until you are back, and this principle I want you to apply on every last decision you make during a match.

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That will be it from me. I hope that you've managed to learn something from this guide, and if Ninja Theory wants to hire me I'm totally in xD

I'm sorry Tetris, but how can it be that you guys are doing your best?
On average there is like 1 meaningful sentence coming from the devs every 2 weeks and I'm not even exaggerrating.
As I'm typing this, people in the official discord are literally speculating about the next patch being the last and final update that this game will ever receive, aka that the game is about to die, and these speculations IN THE OFFICIAL DISCORD have been going for months, and not a single member of the dev team has ever decided to put our minds at ease and say "don't worry, support for this game is not about to drop anytime soon"

We've complained about problems like the death glitch for so long, and until today we have no idea if you guys are aware of this issue or not. Every blue moon we somehow learn that you are aware of a certain issue (like the instant chrysalis explosion) but we've been getting worked up about it for weeks before you announced that you're aware of it. Why would you let the community wait for so long before they can finally be informed that they've been heard?

The community has so many questions that they spam reddit/social media/discord with every single day, and they have all remained unanswered.
I repeat, I'm sorry and you know that I love you as well as this game, but this cannot be your "best" when it comes to communicating with your community.

Sensei Xion is Joreyo's smurf account. He doesn't cheat he's just very good, and he often (only) plays with his friends who are also very good players. That's why he has a very high winrate.

@Rebel-Tetris said in Address toxic culture:

please continue to use the in game reporting tool to help us take action against toxic behaviour.

Is anybody gonna tell him that we can't report a good 50% of cases because there is no way to report players who have left the game? and that the report button does not respond in the remaining 50% of times?
Or do we wait until they realize that on their own?

@x-AmberPrice said in Fix this bullshit matchmaking system before it's too late:

Being completely honest? I don't think it's nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I think the game being incredibly difficult to make a significant impact as a solo player and always needing to rely on your other 3 teammates contributing in some way gives a lot of players a false sense of where they're at. A lot of players massively overestimate themselves and are quick to blame their teammates for everything, and in turn, the matchmaker for providing them with those teammates. It has created a pretty toxic environment in general.

Sorry Amber, but I definitely do not agree with you on this.
The matchmaker is absolutely flawed, and it's not about expecting the team to be on the same page as you or synchronize their playstyle with yours. No the matchmaker is flawed because it matches completely new players with more experienced players.
It's not about impact, it's about you wanting to play the game, while 2 of your team mates are standing in spawn trying to locate the mount up button, and then go on to explore the map because they are literally level 1 and this is their 1st game. Or the game starts and you see 1 of your team mates moving straight to the enemy spawn because they don't understand the game, and think that they should find the enemies and kill them (because it's their 2nd or 3rd game).

Meanwhile it gets so much worse in terms of backfills. When one of your team mates leave, the game searches for ANY available player. Could be someone who has literally just installed the game and has not even tried the tutorial yet. While you would be in a match against Holo's 4 stack, and this is extremely likely because everyone leaves the games that seem unballanced, and your reshuffled team will basically be like pieces of cloth stuffing holes in the ceiling.

All we want is for most of our matches to be normal, and we can tolerate a few hick ups here and there with new players, but the way it is right now is the complete opposite. Most of our matches are extremely bad because of players who belong with other new players, and the normal matches of likely skilled players are the hick ups.

Oh no no no I need to clarify something here:
Rashid is an old player and a friend of everyone. He was the one who discovered the mount cancelled-basic attack chain, and he immediately called attention to it. He even played against a game dev and made sure to use the technique on them so they can be aware of it.
Don't soil his name, he does a lot for the community.