@thetruepilliger I don't think the uppercut itself is obnoxious and dumb, just the ability to be endlessly combo'd by it. Even then, only really in solo queue when you don't have teammates who can actually back you up. If you're trying to 1v1 a Makutu as a tank (or anything else for that matter) as he is now, you're asking for trouble anyways. If your team can CC him at all then it shouldn't be a big deal.
Cheers for the tip about lock-off and stepping back, that seems quite useful in a pinch!
@thetruepilliger I'll be honest, I didn't notice that was a thing and totally forgot about tanks mostly not being able to parry. I can now sorta see how that can be problematic
@Matolius His aggressive stance should not have a damage buff at all. For the style of disruption Makutu naturally fits in to, his aggressive stance shouldn't have anything to do with damage or healing(Ora stance has healing covered). It should be a proper movement speed or damage reduction buff.
Also seriously, the uppercut is perfect in my opinion. It's really good for what it does but is somewhat limited by a few factors that I believe make it reasonable. Those factors being you have to combo to it and hold the attack button, you gotta be in the right stance AND obviously, it can be evaded. Once damage buff is removed, the whole uppercut combo won't have much of a bite. That said, any damage from mods is fair game.
@thetruepilliger Here's what I have to say about the rework...
THE GOOD
) Normal movement speed is normal
) Barge is more maneuverable
) Uppercutting tanks
) Attractive
) Repellent buff
THE BAD
( They gave a tank with heals DAMAGE! No fighter should be able to effective do all 3 main aspects (i.e. tank, heal, damage), that's just unbalanced as hell
( Thanks to attractive, barge's improved hitbox makes it too strong
( The AoE unstoppable from Leg-It
FIXES
[] Swap back to Pepeke stance for more speed or make Huaki provide damage reduction. Put damage back to how it was. Makutu 1.0 damage was grand, it's not important when he can be such a good peeler/bully. There's 5 damage fighters to choose from for damage thus HE DOES NOT NEED IT!
[] Simply put the hitbox back as it was. He got the maneuverability buff and Attractive, that should've been enough to make Barge easier to use.
[] A decent speed boost and maybe some very minor damage reduction on Leg-It should be plenty instead of the unstoppable. I suppose you could go with minor DR for AoE and the brief unstoppable for just Makutu himself. Team wide unstoppable on that cooldown is a bit overkill.
[] As you said, nerf Happy Thoughts. I'm perfectly ok with it being used as a strat but as annoying as it is it needs a brief window of opportunity to allow those who know the timing a chance to get a clutch delivery interrupt.
So yeah, for the most part, I think the problems in balance stem mostly just from the rework touching parts of the kit that really were fine and the biggest issue with the whole rework was adding damage.
As far as the crowd control, I think that's what Makutu does best and that's really as it should be. He was always a good bully really, it's just piss easy now but I'm ok with that. The uppercut is nice and strong but in fairness it's kinda balanced out by the way it's specific to only one stance. What you're suggesting has the potential to be a way bigger nerf than you may realize.
As for Ora stance, that's fine as is, honestly. It does what it should do, give healing and repellent is a really good ability for numerous reasons. Basically, don't try fix what's not broken and sadly that seems to be where this rework went wrong, in my opinion.
Overall, I realize I basically repeated a lot of what you said. I just had to lay it out my way to help myself make my points.
@thetruepilliger First of all, thanks again for the encouragement! Secondly, I like the thinking behind oddball but I already see flaws in it. Still though, a really fun concept to build on! Thirdly, I already added to rules for D-Day for no stacking, like at all. Not even duos.
@thetruepilliger Actually I completely agree. Hence why I started a poll on the subreddit to figure out what day seems to suit people best for a weekly ranked queue. So far Friday is winning out. That said I do hope that the idea gains enough traction among the whole playerbase to the point where we can gradually go from once a week to a whole weekend and eventually, maybe, it'll become just a standard daily thing. I genuinely believe this could/will happen over time as more people become aware of it, including players who left the game due to lack of any kind of ranked queue. I feel there's major value in this kind of solution to ranked since it should allow casuals play for fun without the competitive toxicity that typically occurs due to competitive types who currently have no place to go to experience a higher tier of Bleeding Edge competition.
Personally I rather keep Deathmatch as an every Saturday thing. I appreciate the idea of cycling through deathmatch, ranked, etc and think it's worth consideration but, at least for now, I feel it's best for consistency sake to keep deathmatch as a weekly Saturday specific thing so no one has to keep track of which type of queue is on any given week.
Regardless I probably should edit this original post to include the updated approach. What do you think?
P.S. Seriously though, thanks for the feedback. I'm glad to see some positive reactions to my attempts to help the game grow a bit. Legit can't wait for this coming D-Day. There's been plenty of interest drumming up since my first attempt at it.
I'm hosting deathmatch queues today! Spread the word! For more information, type !deathmatch in my Twitch chat here: https://www.twitch.tv/b4nj4x/chat
So, I've been making the rounds on Discord, Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, etc, with this idea that when it comes to competitive players queuing with the more casual types, we've all had the frustration. Be it that the casuals are making it hard to win games or the tryhards are getting a tad too toxic. My solution is that if we all come together, we don't need to wait for the devs to give us a ranked queue. With customs we can make our own. Not just for ranked but for other types of matches.
Now I am well aware this solution doesn't really provide that feeling of progression we all desire but at least we can make casual potentially a little less toxic and enable serious players to match up with other serious players which I feel would make a huge difference to the general feel of the game. Besides, custom queue is a great addition to the game that I feel we, as a community, have really underutilized.
Here's what I wanna suggest we start making habit with custom queues:
Ranked queue
Code: ranked
When: All day every day
Deathmatch queue aka D-Day
Code: Deathmatch
When: Saturdays
NOTE: Totally ignore objectives, just teamfights galore!
Why just Saturdays? A couple of reasons why I am suggesting we do it as a once a week thing.
️ I personally reckon that just playing to kill could get old pretty quickly.
️ This would shorten the window for more people to take advantage of it.
That is all. I really hope we can come together and make this work. I truly think it'll work out very well if we do.
Later days!
b4nj4x
[EDIT]
Going to tackle the ranked idea slowly so I shall start hosting ranked queues on Fridays and once that's rolling well and consistently, I will extend it to whole weekends and then hopefully we can eventually have it going all day everyday until the devs take notice and finally give us the ranked we want